The ‘presence’ at this conference is not the Holy Spirit of Almighty God.
Is your Jesus INCLUSIVE? Do angels fly on your prayers? Are your prayers so powerful that they activate the energy of angels? Does YOUR worship have the power to write the story of your life? Did you know that your worship is outworking YOUR salvation story?
Do your prayers open heaven? Do your works trigger god to make your dreams come true? Did you know that the Kingdom of God is open for business to fulfill your dreams? Can you bring a part of heaven to earth? What if every day you could find a secret place that unlocked the power of heaven in your own life and in your home? With a mighty brush and an outstretched arm, do you believe Pringle can force the Holy Spirit to invade Sydney and his Presence Conference?
Well if you somehow think this nonsense has anything to do with Christianity, then the Presence Conference 2014 is perfect for you.
Recently, we have analysed the C3 brochure for Presence Conference 2014…
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The Narrowing Path 
Frightening stuff! No, it’s obviously not the Biblical God’s presence there. So, whose is it?
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I could hazard a guess, from a limited array of choices. 😦
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Yes, I can narrow it down to one. Can you beat that, Sis?
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Wow, how do you know such things? Did you learn that in your Gnosticism 102 course?
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Can’t tell you, buy my DVD and stuff first. Hey, it was a “proper” course; don’t mock it! I have the cheap pencil to prove it.
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Cool, does it come with an honorary doctorate from Fuller Theological Seminary?
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Listening to this program at the moment where Janet Mefferd talks with Iain Murray about revivalism (and the life of John MacArthur)…….
http://www.janetmefferdpremium.com/2014/03/31/janet-mefferd-radio-show-20140331-hr-3/
I’m realizing it’s not what we will see or have ever seen at a C3 “Presence” Conference (even though Phil Pringle prophesied revival when the Warragamba Dam overflowed – still waiting, time to declare him a false prophet?)
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Thanks Margot!
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“Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,” Colossians 2:18
This scripture shows us clearly what can happen when a group of young and impressionable Christians follow a man/movement/message, that has no proven track record in terms of solid Bible foundations and doctrinal integrity.
They follow the “vision” of the leader, get involved in “angels” and all that the leader “imagines”, whether it is Biblical or not. There’s no word based discernment of the man, the movement, or the message.
In doing so, the followers are forced to jump through a number of hoops (including expensive books, DVDs and conferences) where they get the “secret knowledge of the ages” (which somehow or other emerges via the leader’s current “vision”).
Promises are made, the people are made to feel like they are involved in the “inner circle” while those on the outside are less spiritual and – hey presto – they’ve just successfully completed “Gnosticism 101”. The inner circle is “of the Spirit” while the outer circle is “of the flesh” – bingo – Gnosticism… This is pure elitism, and nothing else.
These kinds of people get their preacher’s licenses out of a cornflakes packet, and for what it’s worth, if you went to actually buy the cornflakes at a supermarket, by law you would be able to read what the contents were, listed on the side of the packet, before you bought them, but not with these guys… Wisdom often only comes with hindsight.
Austin Hellier
Weet Bix eater…
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You got that right, Austin! “Gnosticism 101,” good one. By the way, “Gnosticism 102” is out, but only a privileged and special FEW know about it. Buy my DVD, my “Jesus-channeled” manuscript, my T-shirt, my coffee mug, my shiny key holder, my “Gnosticism 101 is so yesterday” bumper sticker, etc., and then you’ll be in the know as well . . .
Canada
Oatmeal eater (two helpings, sometimes three)
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Thanks Canada – I’m not sure how my earlier post ended up underneath your later posts – (ahemmm madame admin – what’s happening to me???)
Anyway, it doesn’t matter, as it’s good to see you coming along and posting your thoughts. Now, I am really curious about your “Jesus chanelled manuscript” – can you email me one – can I photocopy it, is it really “annointed”???
Seriously, I cannot imagine the apostles selling books, (hey bro – get the ‘holy scroll’ – it’s really hot stuff!)
Followed by conferences (come to the Capaernaum conference next week – brother Mal-prak-tus is the keynote speaker, followed by sister Suk-emin, all the way from Egypt, who will be song leading!
It’s a lovely little seaside destination, sponsored by ‘word of fate’ evangelist, brother Phil… Only 500 denari for a couple, 350 denari for singles…) All proceeds go to feather the apostate’s nest, and fill the pockets of the ‘profits’ of the Lord……
Nor can I imagine them having a traditional prayer que (now, as brother Bartholomew plays “Just as I am” on the liar, people can come down the front and fall over, while we are busily counting your hard earned cash out the back…)
Doesn’t sound very “apostolic” to me…
Austin Hellier
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They also have to list any artificial ingredients on the packet. Better protection for the consumer than the average megachurch offers.
Sherryn
Organic oatbran sourdough toast eater
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Big and fat smiley face (insert here).
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Amen to all of that brethren!!! Of course, the goal of all Gnosticism – 101 – 102 ad infinitum, is that YOU can become a god…
I mean, why bother worshiping another god (which is so tedious, you know, building temples, appointing a priesthood, converting gullible souls – it’s too much hard work,) when you can simply become a “god” by a process, (which you have to pay for, of course…)?
Sounds like the lie of the garden to me… take the fruit from the wrong tree and…
“you shall be as God, knowing good and evil…” Gen 3:5
Our world ‘knowledge’ comes from the Greek word ‘gnosis’, which is the higher knowledge that all Gnostics sought after, but this “light” was Lucifer’s illumination, which only served his own cause – to deceive the hearts of men and women of all ages, into worshipping him as the ultimate false god. This is the knowledge that all Gnostics seek after, so that they can transistion from the “flesh’ realm and into the “spirit” realm. Remember Gloria Copeland preaching on “the higher life”? I do…
We’ve all seen it in the abundance of false ministries and cults around the world today. With the JW’s, it is membership of the “144,000” – sorry, all sold out. With the Mormons, “as god is, so man may become” – attaining godhood through their false priesthood. Eastern religions – meditate and philosophise your way to god/Nirvana/whatever… and so on. Any other path but Jesus Christ…
Western Gnostics, embedded within the “church” try to sell you godhood – by ‘going to the next level’ – and paying for that through the media formats – , conferences, books, DVDs etc. The reason why people fall for this chicannery is because of pride.
It was pride that caused Adam and Eve to commit the sin of independence, it is pride that causes us to do the same when tempatation wins out, and it is pride that caused Lucifer to fall from the great heights of heaven, whose fall will one day end up in the very depths of hell. (Rev 20:10)
True spiritual enlightenment from God above, humbles man into the true “knowledge” that he is a sinner, who needs a God appointed and annointed Saviour, Jesus Christ the righteous, and our righteousness can only come from Him – not some devilish process which defrauds us and deceives us into believing Satanic lies.
Satan wants a throne and a crown, without a cross. Jesus knew that the only way to the throne and the crown, was via the cross…
Austin
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Preach it brother. Amen.
Here’s how some Mormons plan to achieve godhood:
http://transfigurism.org
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Wow! Those Mormon ‘trans-humanists’ (???) sure know how to party on anything but Bible truth. Strangely enough, those of us who live in the “poor quarter” of this fair city, never seem to hear them knocking on our doors… I wonder why?
Oh – of course – tithing is regularly recorded and checked BEFORE you are entitled to any kind of welfare relief from the “church”. Silly me, I should have known – we couldn’t afford any of that, and we certainly wouldn’t be the ‘right’ kind of people to have hanging around the (Masonically inspired) Temple!
When I was with the Obed Mission cult years ago, there were ‘secret doctrines’ that were only for the favoured few. Those false doctrines and their outworking, nearly destroyed my life.
When I was with the Latter Rain folks in Redcliffe, some of those ‘secret doctrines’ were on offer too – if only I would bow down and worship the head pastor and his wife (reports about the church in Redcliffe were sent to them by telephone on an almost daily basis – no secrets were withheld from them…)
Strange, isn’t it – how we have to pay for their ‘secrets’, (LRM and NAR) but our secrets (our very private lives) are offered up on the altar of Gnosticism, absolutely free of charge?
Interestingly enough, the Rosicrucians also seem to have a secret knowledge, wherein they worship “the god of their hearts” – in other words, they worship a ‘god’ that they have made up in their hearts.
This is a kind of paganism, and is usually an image of themselves, immortalised by whatever “vain imaginations” (Colosian heresy Col 2:18, as above,) that they have dreamed up too. No Bible doctrine or practice in any of this nonsense…
Canada – I think I found your package deal – or at least the hardware part of it:
http://www.zazzle.com.au/hillsong+gifts
Austin Hellier
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A precious brother in Christ, Carl Teichrib has witnessed to these transhumanist Mormons on several occasions. See his work at http://www.forcingchange.org.
I am always amazed at how deceived people actually are, to think that we can ascend to godhood by circumventing the God who made us; that we can visit heaven in our sinful, fallen state without the permission of the King of Heaven, or that we can somehow call down heaven to earth at will. Such folly! God so graciously revealed himself to his creation, yet it is not enough for most people. Secret knowledge and spiritual elitism is indeed the temptation from the garden.
As for Hillsong, let us be clear as to what they are. Not a Christian church, by any stretch of the imagination, but rather a voracious, corporatised cult leading millions astray whilst fleecing the sheep of their wool and their wallet contents.
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Hillsong―a veracious cult, leading souls away from the Lord? How dare you speak the truth? How dare you touch the . . . the . . . the . . . (I just can’t say it!) . . . the . . .”anointed”? I ask again: How dare you speak the truth? Bless you, Sis!
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Wow, how did I get away with that rather amusing error…in my original comment about Hillsong I wrote that they are a ‘veracious’ cult. I meant voracious. If they were veracious they wouldn’t be a cult!!! Correction now made.
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Both are correct, sweat not. Veracious being “true.” So, yeah, they are a true cult. And voracious too. Have a Coke.
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Veracious: Speaking or representing the truth e.g. “a veracious account”
Synonyms
true, accurate, veritable, correct, errorless, unerring, exact, precise, factual, literal, realistic, authentic, faithful, close, strict, just, unelaborated, unvarnished; truthful, honest, sincere, frank, candid, honourable, reputable, trustworthy, trusty, reliable, dependable, scrupulous, upright, upstanding, ethical, moral, righteous, virtuous, decent, good
…not really the word I meant to type in relation to Hillsong. 🙂
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Sigh. I give up. Yes, they are not an “honourable” cult. Sigh. You win; give me back my Coke. Sigh. Insert sad, tired face here—–>
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He he, I just figure if I am going to point out the doctrinal deficiencies in megachurch business moguls, I should at least proofread my own comments.
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Actually. I think that you’re right about that Sherryn – all of it. For instance, there are simple truths contained within the Tabernacle of Moses, in type and shadow format, but people who are committed to building their own kingdoms, can even take simple truths, and twist them into a two tiered Christianity, like many from the LRM did back in the 70’s and 80’s – I was there, right in the thick of it.
By way of just one example – those who were “of the outer court” were (in the eyes of the LRM leaders,) many genuine believers from both Evangelical and Pentecostal backgrounds, who did not embrace the LRM theology and practice.
The “Manifest Sons of God” concept would have been one of “the inner court” doctrines that one would have to embrace in order to be an “inner court” Christian – bingo – Gnosticism 101 again, in a somewhat different form, but still pandering to a spiritual elite who called the shots, AND collected the tithes too…
Of course, you had to ‘understand’ the Tabernacle pattern (their view of it) which contained their version of the “secret knowledge” before you could become an inner court (inner circle) Manifest Son. The Bible does promise us immortality (1 Cor 15:51 – 54).
Nowhere in scripture are we promised divinity, and that is the bottom line goal of LRM doctrine in that area – “ye shall be as God, knowing all things…”. It’s just the lie of the garden again, hiding behind another convenient smoke screen, known as Manifest Sons. The “Manchild” company is (in some LRM quarters) supposedly just like Jesus, comparable in power and authority of the only divine Son of God – blasphemy!
Gnosticism was probably easier to spot back in the times of the Early Church, but it’s a lot harder nowdays – it is like a leopard which appears to be able to actually change the colour, shape and size of its spots, and being so swift to deceive so many, it is harder to stop.
Now that these false LRM doctrines are well kown, Satan has taken on a different tac – the Emergent and NAR “churches” which come with a different set of “spots” from those in the past. Manifestly false prophecy, practices that are more akin to Eastern religiouns and doctrines bordering on the devilish – I can describe these false end times movements no other way…
Austin Hellier
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